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Onyouare
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 Posted : Wed Sep 27, 2006 Post subject: Does being a 4 year practicionar have a negative effect? |
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Hello, I'm a newbie on this site and have a question. I'm at the moment in my 5th year of medical education and am thinking of having USMLE exam to have a graduation on internal medicine, however I can't say that I'm a hardworking student and wasted most of my time with social activities during my past years of medical education, so I'm in need of studying some medicine from sources like Kaplan to preapare for USMLE. In my country, we have a about one year governmental service as practitionars and also a military service to be completed and after those we have permission for further medical education like internal medicine clerkship.
This means I shall be able to have USMLE exam passed after about 3 or 4 years of my graduation from my medical faculty. May I be admitted to those programs after passing USMLE as a 4 year old practitionar? Does this have a negative effect on my being admitted by any of the internal medicine clercships of united states of america or britain?
Or is it not important how many years have passed after your graduation?
As a further question, is it true that the universities of britain only admit american students for post USMLE medical assistant or clercship graduation and make it hard for the USMLE successors of other countries to be admitted as an internal medicine assistant? For instance I'm a medical student in Istanbul, turkey.
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Posted : Wed Sep 27, 2006 Post subject: Re: Does being a 4 year practicionar have a negative effect? |
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| Onyouare wrote: | Hello, I'm a newbie on this site and have a question. I'm at the moment in my 5th year of medical education and am thinking of having USMLE exam to have a graduation on internal medicine, however I can't say that I'm a hardworking student and wasted most of my time with social activities during my past years of medical education, so I'm in need of studying some medicine from sources like Kaplan to preapare for USMLE. In my country, we have a about one year governmental service as practitionars and also a military service to be completed and after those we have permission for further medical education like internal medicine clerkship.
This means I shall be able to have USMLE exam passed after about 3 or 4 years of my graduation from my medical faculty. May I be admitted to those programs after passing USMLE as a 4 year old practitionar? Does this have a negative effect on my being admitted by any of the internal medicine clercships of united states of america or britain?
Or is it not important how many years have passed after your graduation?
As a further question, is it true that the universities of britain only admit american students for post USMLE medical assistant or clercship graduation and make it hard for the USMLE successors of other countries to be admitted as an internal medicine assistant? For instance I'm a medical student in Istanbul, turkey.
Thanks for any help. |
I think there is some confusion in your mind. US uses USMLE for residency training positions, whereas UK uses PLAB.
There is slight less preference for older candidates, that being said, older I mean 40-50 year old doctors. But people wait long to come to US after graduation are probably doing something useful like practice or research.
In regards to question regarding PLAB, there are lot of recent rule changes. If you are from Turkey or EU countries, you would have greater advantage to get a position in UK. |
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Posted : Thu Sep 28, 2006 Post subject: Re: Does being a 4 year practicionar have a negative effect? |
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| root wrote: |
I think there is some confusion in your mind. US uses USMLE for residency training positions, whereas UK uses PLAB. |
Yes, I have little knowledge about USMLE and haven't heard PLAB yet, until I've seen your post here above. Thanks for your information. Would you mind answering some of my questions about those issues?
1.Can you make a comparision about the possibilities of having a quick post graduation residency training position after having a PLAB or USMLE exam? Which one is quicker for me as a turkish citizen? I mean if I have PLAB may I have an admission to the universities or hospitals providing internal medicine training quicker than having a USMLE exam?
2. I've heard that it's necessary to apply to universities or hospitals providing residency training positions for, let me say, internal medicine(I'm thinking of being a cardiolog and have heard that cardiology is a further sepcialisation of internal medicine in united states and so it is necessary to have residency training in internal medicine for 3 years first and then you have to take another 3 year post graduation training for cardiology to be a cardiolog) in united states.
Is it same in britain after having passed PLAB exam(is it required to have training in internal medicine first, to have access to have cardiology training in britain or is it possible to take only cardiology training[in turkey, it is possible to have only cardiology training without a need to have internal medicine training to be a cardiolog]?
3.Can you tell me how many years of training is necessary to be a cardiolog in britain(in united states, 3 years for internal medicine and 3 years for cardiology, in total 6 years of training required according to my recent knowledge)
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There is slight less preference for older candidates, that being said, older I mean 40-50 year old doctors. But people wait long to come to US after graduation are probably doing something useful like practice or research. |
I'm 26 at the moment and shall be 27 in this novemeber. I think I shall be 31 or 32 when I have USMLE or PLAB exam because of my obligatory practitioner and obligatory military services completed to be officially admitted as a practitioner doctor in turkey. Considering your quote, I think 32 years is not old to be prefered in a slightly less position. Am I right? Please correct me if I'm wrong. Is this age thing same in UK? I mean is 32 years, old, or not old ,to apply for PLAB exam? I don't want to waste my time to prepare for those USMLE or PLAB exams in the near future if I shall not be granted for a training position in internal medicine or cardiology because of my possible 32 years of age at that time.
| root wrote: |
In regards to question regarding PLAB, there are lot of recent rule changes. If you are from Turkey or EU countries, you would have greater advantage to get a position in UK. |
May this position be a training position in internal medicine(if it is necessary to have training in internal medicine to be a cardiolog in britain) If yes should I have PLAB exam instead of USMLE? Because I want to start my internal medicine training as quick as possible after my passing of PLAB or USMLE exam. Is my possiblity of having this position by far less in USMLE when compared with PLAB or are the possiblities same in both occasions?
Thanks for any possible information. |
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Posted : Fri Sep 29, 2006 Post subject: Re: Does being a 4 year practicionar have a negative effect? |
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| Onyouare wrote: | | root wrote: |
I think there is some confusion in your mind. US uses USMLE for residency training positions, whereas UK uses PLAB. |
Yes, I have little knowledge about USMLE and haven't heard PLAB yet, until I've seen your post here above. Thanks for your information. Would you mind answering some of my questions about those issues?
1.Can you make a comparision about the possibilities of having a quick post graduation residency training position after having a PLAB or USMLE exam? Which one is quicker for me as a turkish citizen? I mean if I have PLAB may I have an admission to the universities or hospitals providing internal medicine training quicker than having a USMLE exam?
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PLAB will be quicker but recently it is difficult to get jobs unless you are from a EU country.
USMLE is harder and you wont be considered par with american graduates but getting jobs is easier.
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2. I've heard that it's necessary to apply to universities or hospitals providing residency training positions for, let me say, internal medicine(I'm thinking of being a cardiolog and have heard that cardiology is a further sepcialisation of internal medicine in united states and so it is necessary to have residency training in internal medicine for 3 years first and then you have to take another 3 year post graduation training for cardiology to be a cardiolog) in united states.
Is it same in britain after having passed PLAB exam(is it required to have training in internal medicine first, to have access to have cardiology training in britain or is it possible to take only cardiology training[in turkey, it is possible to have only cardiology training without a need to have internal medicine training to be a cardiolog]?
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It is very hard for an IMG to get into cardiology in US than compared to in UK.
| root wrote: |
3.Can you tell me how many years of training is necessary to be a cardiolog in britain(in united states, 3 years for internal medicine and 3 years for cardiology, in total 6 years of training required according to my recent knowledge)
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| root wrote: |
yes. you are right.
| root wrote: |
There is slight less preference for older candidates, that being said, older I mean 40-50 year old doctors. But people wait long to come to US after graduation are probably doing something useful like practice or research. |
I'm 26 at the moment and shall be 27 in this novemeber. I think I shall be 31 or 32 when I have USMLE or PLAB exam because of my obligatory practitioner and obligatory military services completed to be officially admitted as a practitioner doctor in turkey. Considering your quote, I think 32 years is not old to be prefered in a slightly less position. Am I right? Please correct me if I'm wrong. Is this age thing same in UK? I mean is 32 years, old, or not old ,to apply for PLAB exam? I don't want to waste my time to prepare for those USMLE or PLAB exams in the near future if I shall not be granted for a training position in internal medicine or cardiology because of my possible 32 years of age at that time.
| root wrote: |
In regards to question regarding PLAB, there are lot of recent rule changes. If you are from Turkey or EU countries, you would have greater advantage to get a position in UK. |
May this position be a training position in internal medicine(if it is necessary to have training in internal medicine to be a cardiolog in britain) If yes should I have PLAB exam instead of USMLE? Because I want to start my internal medicine training as quick as possible after my passing of PLAB or USMLE exam. Is my possiblity of having this position by far less in USMLE when compared with PLAB or are the possiblities same in both occasions?
Thanks for any possible information. |
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Is it necessary firstly to get internal medicine residency in britain to be a cardiolog? I mean do you have to take internal medicine residency firstly and cardiology residency secondly? And do you know how long do the internal medicine residency and cardiology residency take to complete? In united states I think both lasts for 3 years each. Is it same in britain?
I know that turkey is a eu candidate and has not yet been a member yet. In this condition shall I be classified as a practitioner from a eu country according to recent rule changes you have talked about, or shall my chance to be granted for a residency very decreased and as low as an IMG from a non-eu country in britain?
Do you think that I have no chance of being a cardiolog in united states as an IMG, and shouldn't prepare for usmle if I want to be a cardiolog as it shall be a waste of time in this condition? |
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